Geoffrey was slain during the a cycling crash when you look at the 1186 and you can Constance hitched (2) Ranulph de- Blundeville, 4 th Earl of Chester, with the step three rd March 1188, when you look at the a married relationship build from the Queen Henry 11. That it wedding deteriorated and you will Ranulph imprisoned Constance within the 1196. Rebellions have been started round the Brittany on her and you may Ranulph put out their particular for the 1198. Back in Brittany, Constance got their particular marriage annulled and soon after in 1198, she got People de Trips given that their unique ‘second’ husband.

Constance died old 40, (possibly of leprosy, perhaps after giving birth to help you dual girls) with the 5 th Sep 1201 from the Nantes

The idea you to Constance got an affair that have John adopting the loss of Geoffrey and you will in advance of John’s relationship to help you Isabella off Gloucester when you look at the 1189, hence she is mommy to help you Joanna is very contentious and you may have provoked much conversation within genealogical groups.

By just which have sex which have John, let-alone hit him a child, Constance could have depending an initial-studies dating of affinity with all of John’s sisters –– along with John’s brother Geoffrey

You to definitely remark of an effective genealogist states you to ‘the new log ‘The latest Plantagenet Connection’ keeps blogged an enthusiastic ahnentafel out of E Plantagenet, spouse of Henry V11, that gives Joanna’s mother’s name once the Constance (perhaps misnamed Clemence?), Duchess from Brittany. This is basically the Constance who was John’s sis-in-rules! Because of the well-identified animosity ranging from John and Constance along with her individual tries to push their young man Arthur’s passions as much as the newest throne out-of England was alarmed (and we also all the know how disastrously one turned out!), I absolutely get the recommended relationship a tiny tough to swallow. The fresh Constance you to definitely background portrays cannot struck myself due to the fact towards the exactly who John can potentially coerce into bed.’

‘ An idea who does choose Joanna’s mother just like the Constance fails to make up a very critical part of cannon law. Who mean that some shade of one’s matter must surely have come down seriously to you, in the event it in it the fresh request for it, the newest deliberations, or perhaps the real dispensation by itself. In so far as i was alert, absolutely nothing of form can be acquired.’

My very own view for just what it’s worthy of, is the fact got Constance already been mom from Joanna she would absolutely provides introduced their particular right up in her house and her term is as well known as Constance’s most other students because of the Geoffrey (Eleanor, Reasonable Maid out-of Brittany, Matilda/Maud regarding Brittany and you will Arthur).

Agatha came to be from the 1168 in the Chartley Castle, Staffordshire. It’s notorious one to she was a domme away from John and some relatives woods render their particular, in the event single, since mother from Joanna. Most genealogists yet not believe that it is just supposition one she is Joanna’s mother since no proof otherwise suggestions are present to display it.

Although this wasn’t good consanguineous relationships but among affinity, any very first-knowledge matchmaking could have made relationship ranging from Constance and you will any one of John’s brothers hopeless rather than good dispensation –– hence given the party’s score could have needed to are from the newest pope themselves

One to resource seem to considering is Sir William Dugdale, regarding Baronage out of The united kingdomt (1675-6). According to him their source to get Dr David Howell’s ‘Reputation for Wales’ (1584). Powell’s efforts are an increased version out-of H Lloyd’s translation out-of ‘The Historie of Cambria’ by the a dozen th century Saint Caradoc of Llancarfan. Another type of origin, ‘Magna Carta Barons’ because of the Charles Browning, copyright 1969 including names Agatha de- Ferrers, daughter of Robert de- Ferrers, last Earl regarding derby, because Joanna’s mommy.

Though she cannot be totally overlooked since the an applicant to possess mom from Joanna, surely there would be some trace out-of their own inside a chronicle or any other historical site, when the she got actually been the caretaker of partner off the fresh Prince of North Wales.